INTERVIEW WITH BERNARD T. ROCCA, JR.
Version 3.1


Interviewee:		Bernard T. Rocca, Jr.
Interviewer:		Dan Cheatham, Drum Major 1957
Date of Interview:	July 7th, 1992
Transcriber:		Richard F. Wong

[Minor revisions for clarity and grammar by Dan Cheatham.  
Inserted by Tim Castro on 11/10/92 and 11/12/92]

[Barney has reviewed Version 2.1 of this interview and is 
content with the transcription.  He stated that we could 
make additional minor changes as needed.  So done by Dan 
Cheatham on 12/3/92.  Inserted by Tim Castro on 12/4/92 and 
12/13/92.]

[Following editorial notes are attributed as thus:
	Norden H. (Dan) Cheatham - NHC]


Keywords:	Tightwad Hill, University High School, Audition, 
Modeste Alloo, Charles Cushing, Hail to California Fanfare, 
Typical Pre-Game, Saturday Morning, Trips South, Ralph 
Edwards, Room 5, Cadence Tempo, Pregame Performance, Star 
Spangled Banner, Baton Society, Pajamarino Rally, Idora 
Park, Ernest O. Nagle, James Berdahl, ROTC Band, Band/ASUC 
Relationships, Don Mulford, Alumni Band Day, Women in the 
Band.



Dan: The date is July 7th, 1992.  This side 1 of tape 1 of 
an interview with Barney T. Rocca, Jr.  We're in his office 
in the Bank of America Building in San Francisco, on the 
51st floor, looking out at a beautiful view of the 
Transamerica Pyramid next door.  My name is Dan Cheatham.

Barney: My name is Bernard T. Rocca, Jr.  I am a Junior 
because my father was also very active in the same business 
and in the same community that I was.  I am a long-time 
California resident.  I've lived here all my life except for 
4 years, during World War II, when I was in Washington DC 
with the War Food Administration.  I've been engaged in 
international trade since I graduated from college.  At 
college, I was a student at the University of California, in 
Berkeley at the College of Letters and Science, majoring in 
Economics.  I graduated Phi Beta Kappa.  I was active in the 
band and a member of the Sigma Phi Society [Fraternity].  
Before that, I was a graduate at University High School in 
Oakland from which I also graduated with honors.

Dan: What instrument did you play in the Band?

Barney: I played the flute in the Concert Band and the 
piccolo in the Marching Band.

Dan: When was the first time you were aware that there was 
such a thing as the University of California Marching Band?

Barney: I can't be sure, but it was when I was just a young, 
young person.  I was always a strong rooter of the 
University of California.  My father, my uncles, my aunts, 
had attended the University and I was always a Bear Backer 
from the word, "Go!" even when I had to stay up on Tightwad 
Hill because I couldn't afford the price of admission and 
the Cal Band was always one of the things that impressed me.

Dan: So, Barney, you were sitting at Tightwad Hill in its 
earliest day.  Surely there were fewer  and the view must 
have been a lot better.

Barney: Well, the view wasn't perfect, so I'd try to sneak 
into the stadium whenever I could and tried to pretend that 
I was going to be a vendor or something like that.  
Sometimes I was able to do this, but occasionally I would be 
able to get a ticket from a friend.  I had some older people 
in the neighborhood who could occasionally get tickets for 
me.

Dan: Do you have any recollections from those Tightwad Hill 
days that would help us understand what the band was like -- 
it's marching style or its performances or anything.

Barney: I can't remember anything particularly except I 
loved the California songs and I liked to hear the Band 
play.

Dan: Somewhere along the line, you had to make the conscious 
decision that you wanted to be a member of the Cal Band.  

Barney: I can't say that I consciously was thinking of the 
Cal Band, but I did join the University High School Band, 
which was an ROTC Band, and I did intend, when I graduated 
to apply for membership in the Cal Band.

Dan: Where was University High located?

Barney: University High School was located in Oakland, but 
it drew students from Berkeley as well as well as Oakland, 
and it was a practice teacher's school for the Department of 
Education at the University of California.  It was difficult 
to get in.  You had to apply as you do nowadays at private 
schools.  University High School eventually was closed about 
12 years later because of racial tensions.

Dan: Specifically where in Oakland was it located?

Barney: It was located on Grove Street [Now named Martin 
Luther King, Jr. Way - NHC], very close to the 
Oakland/Berkeley border.  It was about 3 and a half miles 
from my home in North Berkeley.

Dan: Share with us your arrival on campus and how it 
happened that you actually became a Cal Bandsman.

Barney: After graduating from high school in May of 1932, I 
took 6 months off to make a trip to Europe and I entered the 
University, then in January I went to the Stephens Union to 
apply for membership in the Band and they said they'd have 
to give me an audition.  Well, I hadn't been practicing for 
a long time and the first thing that I was asked to do was 
play the piccolo solo in the Stars and Stripes Forever and, 
actually, I didn't pass the audition.  He said come back in 
another week, so I came back a week later, and by that time, 
I'd practiced enough to pass.  Well, he said, "You're not 
very good, but we'll take you."  [Ironically, when Barney 
played in the Alumni Band for the 1992 Arizona game, the 
piccolos were featured in The Stars and Stripes Forever 
March.  There were 15 or 20 piccolo players.  With a twinkle 
in his eye, Barney pointed out to me that he was the only 
male in the group. - NHC]

Dan: Who was "he"?

Barney: I can't remember his name ... It was Dick something 
and I think he was either Student Director ... He was not 
the Drum Major but he was a Student Director.

Dan: Then it was another student you were auditioning with.  
It wasn't the adult director of the band?  [Barney shakes 
his head "No, it was not the Director of the band."] 

Who was the adult presence in the Cal Band when you first 
arrived on the scene?

Barney: It was Modeste Alloo, l knew his son, who lived ... 
the Alloo's lived in the same part of North Berkeley that I 
did, but I did not know Modeste Alloo.  He was a very 
exacting director of the band and, of course, in the Spring 
semester, it was the concert band, not the marching band and 
therefore, we played more concert-type of music, in which 
case I played the flute instead of the piccolo.

Dan: We have very little information on Modeste.  Would you 
give us as much insight as you can to help us understand 
him?

Barney: Well, what I can tell you is that I thought he was a 
member of the faculty at the University of California.  He 
was a strict disciplinarian.  He wanted everything to be 
exactly right for the Concert Band.  He didn't seem to have 
any interest in the marching aspects of the band activities.  
He was primarily interested in our musicality and wanted to 
be sure that we were performing properly as a Concert Band.  
We had one concert that Spring Semester that I remember.  I 
don't remember whether he was still leader of the Band in 
the Fall or whether Charles Cushing had already taken over 
by that time.

Dan: Your first experience with the Cal Band, then, was in 
its concert band mode?  [Barney shakes his head up and down, 
"yes."] 

What are your memories of your first involvement with the 
band as a marching unit in the football season of 1934?

Barney: Well, actually I was more interested in the Marching 
Band aspects.  That's where I had seen the Cal Band perform 
in the past and, of course, at University High School, I was 
in a marching band and I wasn't good enough as a musician to 
really enjoy the concert work, so when we got into the 
marching aspect of it, I enjoyed it much more.  Well, before 
we became a marching band, of course, we had to get our 
uniforms and my first uniform didn't fit very well, but I 
was able to come back and exchange it for one that fit 
better.  I was very proud of that uniform.  I was very 
pleased and I had a full length picture taken of me in my 
band uniform.  My wife tells me it's not a very good 
picture, but I cherished it.  The Marching Band as I 
remember it, was almost entirely a student activity.  
Charles Cushing, who came along later and who's the adult 
leader of the band during my tenure at the University of 
California did not seem to participate a great deal.  One 
thing I do remember about him is that I think he composed 
the fanfare which we still use to this day.  The other thing 
that I was impressed with was entering the stadium with the 
Lights Out March.  That is still a very stirring thing to 
me, something I'll never forget!

Dan: I'd like to talk about the Hail to California Fanfare 
because I agree with you this is a very, very special piece 
of music.  Is it your recollection that it was written the 
year that you arrived on campus?

Barney: It was not there when I first joined the band.  It 
was written afterwards and it was one of the contributions 
which Mr. Cushing gave to the band.  He had a difficult time 
in my recollection of the first year or so because he was 
taking the place of a very accomplished musician and he was 
dealing with people he didn't know and people who had 
remembered how Mr. Alloo did things so he had difficulty the 
first year or so, but by the second year he was much more in 
control of things.

Dan: What was a typical pre-game performance like in your 
first year, which was the football season of 19 ... 1933?

Barney: We marched onto the field eight abreast and about 
twelve deep.  I think we had a hundred people in the band at 
that time.  Maybe a hundred and eight.  We played Lights Out 
March all the way through.  We went down the field, did a 
countermarch, and then ended up in front of the rooting 
section playing the trio to Lights Out.  I'm not sure, but I 
think that after we had addressed the Cal rooters with a Cal 
Song, we would go over and face the opposing side and play 
their school anthem.

Dan: Do you have any recollection of how the Star Spangled 
Banner was performed?

Barney: At some of the games, we did play the Star Spangled 
Banner in combination with the visiting band, but I don't 
remember that we did it at every game.

Dan: Did the guest conductor direct it?

Barney: I think not!

Dan: What was the sequence of events on a Saturday morning 
between the time you arrived at Room 5, Eshleman, and when 
you marched out on the field from the North Tunnel?

Barney: I don't remember well but I know we had a practice 
session in the morning, probably around ten o'clock on one 
of the fields.  Not in the stadium as they do today, and 
then we would convene at Eshleman Hall and we would march up 
to the stadium and we always enjoyed having the rooters who 
were walking up to the stadium at the same time.  We would 
go in through the North Tunnel and wait for the team to get 
through their warm-up ceremonies and they'd come back 
through the band and then we would enter the field.

Dan: That sounds very similar to how it is today although 
they have a  number of routines they go through - singing 
certain songs, like, for example, The Ship Titanic.

Give us your recollection of a typical half-time 
performance.

Barney: As I recall it, we usually formed into a Big C for 
Cal or we may have done the Cal Script.  I don't remember 
when that was introduced, and then we would also give some 
kind of a tribute to the visiting team either spelling their 
name out, UCLA or whatever.

Dan: Did you travel South during your freshman year?

Barney: Well, we went down to UCLA and to USC during my 
tenure at the University and we went by train.  It was 
always a very enjoyable experience.  One of the members of 
the band had a girlfriend he smuggled on board ... I 
remember that as being "Gee!  That guy's got it made!"  We 
also had a trip to the State Fair in September, and 
actually, I think I made three trips to the State Fair at 
the request of the Chamber of Commerce, I believe of the 
State of California and they paid our way, including the 
hotel accommodations.

Dan: Do you have any special recollections of the trip South 
to the UCLA and/or the USC game?

Barney: We stayed at the Biltmore Hotel on our trip South, 
as I remember it, and we did have meals paid for at 
Clifton's Restaurant/Cafeteria.  My friend, Clark Bradford, 
and I had an opportunity to visit some friends of the family 
and we spent the night there.  We didn't spend it at the 
hotel, but the band was at the hotel, as I remember it.

Dan: There was a yell leader who, in later years became very 
famous in television and later had a very special role to 
play with the band going to the Brussels World's Fair in 
1958.  Could you tell us any remembrances you have of 
someone named Ralph Edwards?

Barney: Well, I remember him well because he was an 
outstanding personality not only afterwards, but during his 
performance as yell leader at the University of California.  
He was able to really get the Rooting Section going and we 
all admired him a great deal. 

Dan: So Ralph was a real showman even in his student years?

Barney: Yes, he was and he still is!

Dan: I'd like to get your recollections of the arrival of 
Charles Cushing as Director.

Barney: Well, he was very different from Modeste Alloo and I 
had the feeling that he was not completely comfortable with 
dealing with the situation.  He didn't know all the people, 
as I've mentioned earlier and it took some time for him to 
really get into the swing of things.  There was some 
grumbling in the band because things were different under 
Cushing than they had been before, but eventually, Cushing 
seemed to surmount these difficulties.

Dan: When things finally settled down, how would you 
describe the working relationship that finally evolved 
between Cushing as Director and the student officers in the 
band?

Barney: As far as I know Cushing was only there for our 
rehearsal times and he didn't seem to take much interest in 
the Marching Band as far as I was able to tell.  I think he 
was an accomplished Director.  Once we got used to his style 
he got along well with the band.  His main problem, as I 
remember it, were just in the first year, while he was 
getting acquainted.

Dan: Would you describe what it was like to be a bandsman 
and have access to its quarters at Room 5 Eshleman Hall?

Barney: I don't really remember too much about that.  I know 
that we considered Eshleman Hall as our headquarters. 

Dan: Did the Band do much in the way of parade marching in 
those days?

Barney: I don't recall any particular parade.  The drum beat 
was the same as it is now, as far as I can tell.

Dan: The band always prides itself on is its ability to 
march at a tempo faster than any other band in the vicinity.  
Would you tell us about the tempo that was used during your 
day?

Barney: As I hear the band now, it sounds just very much 
like the same band that I played in and I marched in.  I 
know we had a fast tempo.

Dan: How did you feel about that?  Did you wish that they'd 
march a little slower?

Barney: I liked the drum beat!  I really, still to this day, 
I'd rather march to that beat than I would to a slower one.

Dan: You found it to be inspiring?

Barney: Absolutely!

Dan: The reason I'm asking about that is because that drum 
beat was written by Charles Cushing and I'm not sure whether 
it was written when he was still a student, or whether it 
was written after he arrived as conductor for the Band.  
Your recollection is that they were already using that 
cadence as you were arriving in your first year.  But 
Cushing had not yet arrived as Conductor.  Is that correct?

Barney: That is my best recollection.  I could be mistaken 
about that but the only drum beat that I remember is the one 
I hear today.

Dan: I'm going to assume that it was written during his 
student days, which brings us to the Hail to California 
Fanfare.  It was my suspicion that it appeared about the 
time of his arrival as Conductor and you've confirmed that.  
Can you give me any insight as to what might have motivated 
him to write it?

Barney: No, I can't really.  I know it was very impressive 
and I think it did a lot to solidify his position before the 
band that he had made this kind of a contribution.

Dan: Describe a little bit more specifically just how the 
Fanfare was played and its role in the pre-game performance?

Barney: We certainly didn't wander out of the Tunnel.  My 
recollection is that we marched out, about to the goal post, 
stopped, played the Fanfare, and then went into Lights Out.

Dan: Likely, you came out the North Tunnel to the goal post 
area on the drums  [He nods his head up and down, yes] at 
which point you played the Hail to Cal Fanfare, went into 
Lights Out March from the beginning, marched down the field 
toward the South goal post ...

Barney: ...countermarch...

Dan: ... did a countermarch, returned back up to about the 
50-yard line ...

Barney: . ... and turned to the Cal rooting section...

Dan: ... in time to be playing the Trio of the march.  [He 
nods his head up and down, yes].  Subsequent to that, 
probably through the use of a countermarch, you then faced 
the opposing rooting section and played their fight song in 
honor to them as our guests [He's nodding his head up and 
down, "yes," all this time].  After honoring the opposing 
rooting section, you would then, very likely through the use 
of a countermarch, wind up on the Cal side of the field and 
leave the field for your seats in the stands.

Barney: That is my recollection.

Dan: What role did the Star Spangled Banner have in all of 
this?

Barney: I don't recall that we played the Star Spangled 
Banner at all the games.  I do remember playing the Star 
Spangled Banner in concert with the opposing band but I 
think it was more an occasional performance than it was 
routine performance.

Dan: Tell us about the Baton Society.

Barney: When I was a Junior or a Senior, I'm not sure which, 
the leadership in the Band said they were organizing an 
honor society and would I be interested in a membership in 
this society? They had a pin and they had an initiation 
service and my buddy, Clark Bradford, and I were initiated 
into the Baton Society.  I don't know whether it had existed 
prior to my induction, but I remembered it as being newly 
organized at that time.

Dan: So, then there's a possibility that the Baton Society 
first started in the 1930's?

Barney: ...5 or 36 ...

Dan: Do you have any recollections of the initiation for the 
Society?

Barney: We were told that the purpose of this society was to 
further the interest of the band and that membership would 
be offered to anybody who had shown a dedication to the 
band.  We didn't have any real program but we did get 
together for the introduction of new members into the 
Society.  There was no banquet or smoker that I recall.  We 
did have meetings primarily for the purpose of inducting new 
members into the Society.

Dan: Give us any memories you have of Bonfire Rallies in the 
Greek Theater.

Barney: Well, that was always something that I enjoyed.  The 
whole band usually didn't show up.  There wasn't room for us 
but those of us who were interested in it did enjoy going to 
the Bonfire Rallies.  The Freshmen had the obligation to 
bring up the wood and the stuff that goes on the fire and 
the Sophomores set the fire and the band played and there 
was usually a program, "Beat Stanford," particularly.  We 
also, as I recall, had occasional rallies before the USC 
game.

Dan: What was a Pajamarino Rally?

Barney: Yes.  Well a Pajamarino Rally was before one of the 
major games, probably the USC game, and the students came in 
their pajamas.  I don't remember any particularly  
outstanding experience, but my father, in 1916, no, he was 
the Class of '15, remembers a Pajamarino Rally where things 
got out of hand and they commandeered the streetcars and 
went down to Idora Park and took over the place and the 
police had to come in and make a lot of arrests and after 
that, they couldn't have a Pajamarino Rally for a couple of 
years, but we enjoyed a Pajamarino Rally.  I only remember 
one and nothing untoward happened in the one that I 
attended.

Dan: The bandsmen wear pajamas, too?

Barney: No, I don't remember that.  Maybe we did, but I 
don't remember that.

Dan: Tell us where Idora Park is.

Barney: Idora Park was in North Oakland and it was an 
amusement park with merry-go-rounds and roller coasters and 
amusements.  The kind of thing that you get on the Beach 
[Referring to a major amusement park formerly located at the 
"Beach" just south of the Cliff House in San Francisco.  To 
get there, you took a Street Car labeled "Beach." - NHC].  
They closed down sometime in the late '30s or early '40s.  
The real estate became too valuable.  It was in North 
Oakland probably between Telegraph and College somewhere 
around 40th Street.

Dan: 1935, there was a drum major named Ernest 0. Negel.  
Could you give us any insight to him?

Barney: He was the one drum major that I remember best of 
all.  He was very tall, very able and he did an excellent 
job.

Dan: There's another student bandsman in your years that 
subsequently turned out to be very important to the band, 
and that's James Berdahl.  Could you tell us about Jim?

Barney: Well, he was one of the Student Directors and we 
used Student Directors in our practice sessions more than we 
did the professional conductors and I remember Jim because 
he was very proficient and also he was an excellent 
musician.  When he became Director of the band in the 
1950's, I thought, "Well, isn't that nice?" that somebody 
who grew up from the band has taken over a position of this 
type.

Dan: While you were a student, did you participate in the 
ROTC program?

Barney: Yes, I was in ROTC, but I was in the Coast Defense 
Artillery.

Dan: The ROTC program was broken up into several sub-
branches, just as the real Army was...Signal Corps, Engineer 
Corps, etc.

Barney ...Navy...

Dan: There was a Navy ROTC on campus then, too?

Barney: Yeah, there was an ROTC program and Captain Nimitz 
was in charge of this program and he was a neighbor of ours 
and his son, Chester Nimitz was my age and he was in the 
same scout troop I was in [As a Five-Star Admiral, Chester 
Nimitz Sr. was the Commander-in-Chief in the Pacific 
(CINCPAC) and in coordination with General MacArthur, 
conducted the battles in the Pacific in WWII.  Only about a 
half-dozen people in the U.S. have ever reached this rank. - 
NHC].

Dan: Give us some insight to the relationship between the 
ROTC Band and the Cal Band.

Barney: As far as I know, there was no relationship except 
some of the members of one band were also members of the 
other band.  I was in the ROTC in high school but I was not 
in the ROTC Band at Cal.  I was just interested in the 
Marching Band.

Dan: Give us your insight of the relationship between the 
Cal Band and the ASUC?

Barney: The Cal Band was financed by the ASUC and we were 
part and parcel of the student body program.  Well as far as 
I know, the ASUC bought us our uniforms, they paid our 
travel expenses.  I thought that the professional leaders of 
the band were paid by the University (as Faculty Members).  
[A similar situation existed in Athletics too.  
Intercollegiate Athletics were a function of the student 
body.  All the financial and administrative aspects were an 
extension of the ASUC, but the coaches were faculty members 
in the Department of Physical Education.  Not only did they 
coach the Intercollegiate Teams, they also taught P.E. 
classes - NHC].  All the other band expenses were paid by 
the ASUC and, as far as we know, they were financed by the 
proceeds from the football games and other athletic 
endeavors.

Dan: Give us a few words about the role of the ASUC on 
campus.

Barney: The ASUC stands for the Associated Students of the 
University of California and it was a student-run and 
student-financed operation.  The President was elected by 
the students.  The ASUC operated with its own Board of 
Directors and its own officers.  They had their own 
financing independent of the University as far as we knew 
and they supported all kinds of activities where the 
students were involved.  The Band was one of those.  The 
students were obliged to become members of the ASUC.  They 
had to buy an ASUC card.  It cost us ten dollars but that 
gave us free admission to all the student activities, 
including the football games the basketball games or any 
other activity that the ASUC sponsored so actually the ten 
dollars was a very good buy for what we got.

Dan: In another oral history we talked to Don Mulford.  What 
are your recollections of Don Mulford?

Barney: He was an excellent musician.  He didn't participate 
in the Band so far as I'm aware, but he had his own dance 
band, which was one of the better known dance bands in the 
Bay Area.  I think this continued even after he graduated 
from the University and then he became a politician and a 
very successful one.  I don't remember ever having danced to 
Don Mulford's band, but it certainly had a good reputation.

Dan: Give us a brief resume of your career subsequent to 
your graduation from Cal?

Barney: After graduation, I entered into the business world 
with a firm called Pacific Vegetable Oil Corporation, which 
was involved in the importing and processing of oil seeds 
and also the domestic production of oil seeds such as flax 
seed and soy beans.  During WWII, four years after I 
graduated, actually 6 years, in 1942, I went to Washington 
D.C. to be with the War Food Administration.  I had been 
discharged as physically unfit from asthma and, therefore, 
couldn't serve, even though I had the ROTC training.  After 
four years in Washington D.C., I returned to become an 
officer in Pacific Vegetable and Oil Corporation as vice-
president.  I became president in 1957.  I retired from the 
firm after it had become a small multi-national firm, doing 
business throughout the world in importing, exporting, and 
processing of vegetable oils.  We had operations in the 
Philippines, in Japan, in Latin America, principally in 
Mexico and Colombia, and in Europe.  After I left the firm 
and retired for 2 years, I became involved in my own firm 
and in starting up the Pacific Commodities Exchange in San 
Francisco.  In 4 years, the Pacific Commodities Exchange had 
to fold but I continued with my own operations as a dealer 
in vegetable oils internationally.

Dan: Reflect back over the years and ad lib on anything that 
you feel is important to have as part of this record that 
we're recording here.

Barney: Well, my experience with the University was a very 
pleasant one.  I learned a lot and I enjoyed it a great 
deal.  I enjoyed the esprit de corps of the band, I enjoyed 
my fraternity life with Sigma Phi, and I enjoyed the 
educational experience.  I took six months of Graduate work 
because I graduated in December and I wanted to participate 
with the Class of '37 although officially I'm a member of 
the Class of '36.  My family has been associated with the 
University for three generations.  My father, one uncle one 
aunt, my brother, and my sister all graduated from the 
University and I believe that I got so much from it that 
when I was able to do so, I was pleased to donate a chair in 
international trade to the School of Business at the 
University of California.  The band, being a very important 
part of my enjoyment at the University, has always been one 
of my favorite institutions and I have been sponsoring band 
activities to the extent that I can in making contributions.  
I was a member of the Chancellor's Circle to the University 
of California along with other activities that the 
University does.  I'm hopeful that we can rebuild some of 
the spirit that we used to enjoy at the University when it 
wasn't taken as a controversial issue that you were 
patriotic or that you were a strong believer in the 
University and its various programs.

Dan: I'd like to thank you very much for the time that you 
have taken from your busy life here on the 51st floor 
looking out over the beautiful San Francisco North Bay.  I 
certainly do admire the view from your window up here.  

I would like to vouch for the fact that Barney has been an 
active member of the Alumni Band.  I can remember seeing you 
participate in Alumni Band Day probably from it's beginning. 
[He nods his head up and down, "yes."]  In fact, although I 
intended to cut this tape off, maybe I should ask you, "Do 
you have any comments to make about the beginnings of the 
Alumni Band?"

Barney: I was very pleased to get an invitation when we were 
talking about the first appearance of the Alumni Band and it 
was an extraordinary experience because we had maybe 140 
members.  We had more Alumni Band members than they had in 
the band the first year.  Subsequent years the attendance 
fell down, but now it's building up again because we're 
getting a lot of women coming into the band and this is one 
thing that I think is great improvement  The young ladies 
that I get the pleasure to meet at these Alumni Band 
performances, they can show me things about marching that I 
never knew!! And I always thought I was a pretty good 
marcher, but compared to them, I'm a neophyte.  They were 
wonderful! 

I'm going to take this opportunity of saying that it's been 
great to have the chance to meet Dan Cheatham.  He is an 
extraordinary benefit to the band.  His enthusiasm and his 
dedication to what we all stand for is exemplary.

Dan: Thank you for the compliment and this will conclude the 
interview.
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